Testimonials Supersear

My take on the CharliedaTuna SuperSear -- Two Thumbs Up!           December 30 2005 at 5:18 PM

Jock Elliott   Airgun writer

I had Charlie install one of his SuperSears (the resetting version) in my Benjamin LE, and the bottom line is that I can highly recommend it.

The original trigger on the LE was a bit better than most of the recent production Benjamin/Sheridan's I've handled, but still it had a somewhat long first stage, followed by a somewhat long and heavy (4-5 pounds) second stage. If you were trying to do high accuracy shooting, it felt like you could squeeze the second stage for quite a while before the shot went off.

With the SuperSear installed, the first stage is shorter and stiffer. The second stage, now a bit more than two pounds, has much more of a "wall" to it, and breaks very cleanly. You engage the second stage, start to lean on it, and BANG! the shot goes off.

The SuperSear delivers a substantial improvement over the stock trigger on the LE and an even greater improvement over the current crop of non-LE Benjamin and Sheridan triggers (which tend to be somewhat heavier than the trigger on the LE, or at least the trigger on my LE). To be sure, in a blind test, you would not mistake your Benjamin or Sheridan's trigger for a Steyr match trigger but still the SuperSear is impressive.

The first time I tried my SuperSear equipped Benjamin LE, I thought "Wow, that's a LOT better." There aren't many places in the airgun world where you can get so much improvement to your air rifle for such a modest investment. Highly recommended.

Jock Elliott

Airgun writer,

correspondent, Precision Shooting Magazine

CharlieDaTuna’s (Bob Werner’s)  SuperSear

March 31 2006 at 1:53 PM

I just installed Bob Werner's SuperSear in my new Benjamin Sheridan .22 cal 392. It was soooo very simple to install, it would have taken 20 minutes or so, but i had to go and polish everything. That trigger is very smooth and crisp. I would recommend this modification to anyone who wants to get away from the insane 7 pound pull of the original sear. Bob Werner YOU ROCK!! thanks again for a fine product. Jim D

More praise for the SuperSear!!! Thanks Charlie.

August 28 2005 at 9:15 PM

Holy $%*! Charlie, you did it again! Just installed Charlie's SuperSear in my Benji 392PA. AWESOME! To make a long story short, it rocks. Go and buy one. (No I'm not a shill for Charlie).

Now for the long story. All of us with Benjis no how poor the stock trigger is. Very heavy (over 7 lbs) and creepy. Well, when I purchased mine a few years back, I had to improve the trigger. So I polished all contacting surfaces in the trigger group to a mirror finish and slightly reshaped the sear. Got the pull down to 3lbs 14oz, but still a little too much creep through the second stage. Not perfect but managable for the past few years.

Then Charlie comes out with the SuperSear. I'm skeptical at first until I hear all of the praise on the forums. So I gotta give it a try. First, Charlie shipped everything out right away, got my package in about a week. The night it arrived I tore my gun apart and made the necessary (and easy) modification to the trigger housing. First I polished the mating surfaces on the new sear with my Dremel. Then I installed the self-resetting sear and tested. At first I wasn't very impressed. Average trigger pull was about 3lbs 4oz. The first stage felt a bit heavier than before, but the second stage was very crisp, with no creep at all. In Chalrie's defense, the first stage felt heavier because it is a true first stage. In stock form the "first stage" is really excess play in the trigger. Only a 10oz improvement, although a MUCH better pull without the creep. I guess I was just hoping for more. Then I remembered, I had already modded my trigger. Compare the SuperSear's 3lbs 4oz to over 7lbs with the stock trigger and WOW! I guess the mods I made to the stock sear were pretty good after all. But even with my mods, I couldn't get my stock sear nearly as crisp as Charlie's.

Then I remembered the second sear included with the kit. This is a non-resetting sear. I erroneoulsy thought that "non-resetting" meant that every time I want to fire the gun I have to manually push the trigger foward to set the sear. Not so. It just means that if you pull the trigger half way, the sear stays half way down, it does not return to the top most position until you cock the gun again. Not a big deal if you shoot carefully. So I polished the mating surfaces on that sear, installed, and tested. Holy *&%!. I just think about shooting and the gun fires! The pull on the non-resetting sear measured 1lbs 14oz!!! And the first stage accounted for 1lbs 2oz! I thought,a trigger this light can't be safe. So I cocked the gun and gave it several good smacks (unloaded of course). The trigger held. Then I pulled the trigger through the first stage so that the sear was half way disengaged and smacked the gun around again from all directions. The trigger still held!! I tried this several times, and each time I was unable to trip the sear. I love the non-resetting sear. Personally, I never leave my rifle loaded and ready to fire. Even if I don't take a shot, I always leave the rifle pointed in a safe direction and fire it immediately after. So it shouldn't matter if the sear resets if you shoot safely. Also, a discerning trigger finger can tell when the sear is not set-that's how smooth Charlie's sear is.

Sorry for the long post but I am excited. Charlie, you took a great gun and made it even better. I already have Charlie's 13XX sear and I can't wait to test it out. You can be sure I will post when I do.

I'm a fan of the SuperSear.

August 29 2005 at 12:26 PM

I put sears in two different guns. My older 392 already had some trigger work done. Nothing much, just hand polishing & lubing. The trigger was heavy, but smooth and fairly manageable. I put the new sear in and the trigger got much better. I got 2 distinct stages and that makes the gun much nicer to shoot. It was well worth it in that gun.

I put one in the 392 LE. Here the trigger was much rougher from the start. I hand polished it and lubed the whole thing, then put the supersear in. Results were not as impressive. The trigger pull started with a lot of resistance and once things began to move I'd pull straight through both stages and the gun would fire. Something was obviously sticking & hanging up. I took the bolt hammer out and did a bit of polishing & lubing on that. That improved things but the overall trigger was still a bit heavy and gritty feeling. With the new sear I did get two stages but the friction and grit tended to mask the effect.

SuperSear is just part of a good Benji trigger. It definitely does what it is intended to do but you really need to clean up the basic trigger operation first. Hand polishing may not be enough. If I were to do it again, I'd be using the dremel and working for a much finer finish. I'd also polish all the sliding surfaces.

- Keith -

Benji SuperSear Works!...... DZR

December 28 2004 at 6:59 PM

....Well - I installed the Benjamin rifle trigger SuperSear from CharlieDaTuna (Bob Werner) and Steve in NC....and the difference is like night & day - I wouldn't even want this rifle if I had to take out the SuperSear.

I am used to the Crosman knock-off valved pump rifles and was a bit taken aback when I tried my first Benji. My particular Benji - a 397 made in '97 - was basically brand new - I acquired it in a trade - The gun was not broken in at all and the trigger ruined the gun. I tried the peep sight, indoors, rested - and really, really tried to shoot some decent 10 yard groups - no luck. The gun would simply NOT stay on target as the trigger was pulled (or yanked). The hammer spring twang was an added detraction - but the bottom line was - I just couldn't shoot the dang thing straight with the stock trigger. The best I could do was about and inch-and-a-half groups. Very poor. I would have sold the gun if it could not be "cured". Instead - now I love this gun. It easily shoots one-ragged hole at 10 yards if I do my part. The newfound Two-Stage trigger works perfectly (I installed the resettable sear) - the first stage is positive and takes up all the "excess motion" that the stock trigger exhibited. The second stage is marvelous - as the stage "breaks" very predictably and lightly - and I can keep the muzzle on target during the shot. What a difference!

I am no airgunsmith - yet was able to install the Sear without any problems. I had just moved and had no internet access that evening - and had nothing to go by but the instructions that came with the Sear. After I finally figured out that the safety spring does NOT wrap around the safety post - but merely rests against it - everything else was cake. If I had the foresight to download and print the illustrations on Charlie's site - I would have figured out the safety deal in two seconds. I did not polish any surfaces during my installation - I merely swabbed some Moly paste on the moving parts and buttoned it back up.

Interestingly, when you order the SuperSear ($20 + $2 shipping)- what you receive is actually TWO different Sears - one "resettable" one - and another - lighter (I'm told) that does not reset. The first one I installed works so perfectly - my curiosity is driving me to try the other one soon too. More than just a "mod" - I consider the Sear an absolute necessity. The late model - Crosman-built Benji's seem built pretty good - and make decent power - but those American Bar Association Approved triggers completely ruin an otherwise good gun. I just wouldn't even want this rifle at all if it were not for the new Two-Stage SuperSear inside it now. If anyone reading this owns and shoots a Benjamin / Sheridan rifle made in 1997 or later - you NEED this Sear. I cannot imagine anyone would prefer the stock trigger - and would bet money that anyone who installs one will never take it out! - HV

SuperSear... Smokey_Joe

December 19 2004 at 10:43 AM

If any of you guys have a current Benji/Sheridan and haven't upgraded to the SuperSear... you're crazy!!! It's the best $22.00 you will ever spend on an airgun. With just a little work (which is very easy by the way) the difference will be night and day.

Cheers,

Smokey

More 2 cents about the SuperSear

December 15 2004 at 12:20 PM

Charlie (Bob) lives near me and we became friends thru this forum last year. I've been to his house (shop) many times to B/S, shoot air guns and talk business etc.

He as been to my house (shop) where we installed the S/S on my Sheridan S/S. And I used my Dremel to grind the small pot metal post. And being a pro myself (I built Charlie's website). I used the Dremel and felt pad to polish all parts with a 45 yr old can of Brasso. All in all it took about 30 minutes including the time Bob & I spent B/Sing. It was time well spent, I learned some more stuff about air guns and my Sheridan shoots like it should have in the first place. Smooth & accurate.

Charlie (Bob) is a smart, honest, nice guy, who's friendship I've enjoyed. And the S/S is an simple, inexpensive & ELEGANT solution to a problem that never should of been.

Regards, Herb

Thanks, Don. I was kidding about the "lo-tech" comment anyway.

December 15 2004 at 11:22 AM

The SS comes with the primary contact points already pretty well polished - Bob (I mean "Charlie" ) sees to THAT. So I'd just lube it and shoot it. But, having said that, a little elbow grease never hurt anything - just don't go crazy and mess up the tolerances (not to suggest you would ).

Steve

SHERIDAN C9 - SUPER SEAR

December 12 2004 at 8:38 PM RICHARD SCHMITZ

I used the non- resetting sear and WOW what a trigger!!! VERY VERY lite pull. GREAT JOB !!!!!

392PA Momma Mea OurDee

December 15 2004 at 12:28 AM

I am very pleased with the 2 stage trigger in my 392PA. Install of the non-resetting SuperSear took me a little longer than 1/2 hr. to put in. I put a mirror finish on all contact points including the hammer. I had no moly lube. So I used graphite grease. My test pilot and 7 year old son (Noah) took up the slack then slowly applied pressure till it broke. He used to pull the gun off target. Not any more. It is fun to just dial in the elevation for him and watch the beanie babies fly. Ever try to get a 7 year old boy to hold on target instead of trying to look over the rifle to see what he hit. You have done it when he says I saw the pellet when it hit.

Other mods include; 2" cut off butt stock, and butt plate ground to fit. Pump handle extended 3", Noah still can't pump it, but I like it. R.D.

PS must be all the polishing, take up is silky smooth then second stage is very distinct on mine. As I apply just a tad more pressure the release is very crisp. Seems like there is not any creep left in the second stage. It just plain feels expensive.

I love my new SuperSears more than I love my own mom...  JPO 

December 14 2004 at 8:02 AM

Well, perhaps not THAT much, but they work great! I installed the "resetting" sear in my remanufactured 392. The weight of pull dropped dramatically. It does have a distinct "2-stage" feel, but it's so light that you need to use good trigger dicipline to feel it.

It took about 20 seconds of dremel tool work to knock off the raised zinc nub that rubs on the SuperSear in the trigger group housing.

The non-resetting sear went in the Silver Streak. Sure, there's the whole "milking the trigger" issue, but I've got the same thing (non-resetting trigger) in my other 392 (new purchase, not a remanufactured gun)with a radiused sear. The non-resetting sear in a box stock streak feels much better under the trigger finger than a 392 with radiused sear, polished striker, and lightened trigger return spring.

I'm pretty darn sure that I'll be shipping off yet another check to "Da Tuna" (even though that's not his "real name") to get a second set of sears for the two 397's in the safe.

Thanks to Steve in NC and Charley for this great new airgun goodie.

Supersear...

December 11 2004 at 5:02 PM      Steve B.

I just got my SuperSears here on the Pacific Rim today. Trigger pull with the non-resetting sear is about two pounds, I'm guesstimating without a pull gauge, but it's very nice.

My gun had the trigger guard housing with the stud/boss - bummer. I used a dremel tool (dremel tools are our freind) and a cutoff wheel to rough it down, then polished with the face of a grinding stone. The pot metal used for the housing loads stones and cutters up quickly, hench the cuttoff wheel. If you have access to a bridgeport type mill a 3/8 cutter plundged down on top of it would work great. The housing design doesn't allow a file to access this this. My housing needed about a 1/16" removed.

The whole thing with the grinding took about an hour.

HTH - Steve B.

ATTN: SHERIDAN BENJI OWNERS SUPER SEARS ARE A MUST!! RICHARD SCHMITZ RICHARD SCHMITZ

December 13 2004 at 11:26 PM

You must get a super sear, under 2 lbs pull !!! 30mins to install, a no brainer.

Richard

Attn: Benji/Sheridan owners!

December 8 2004 at 9:10 AM Herb

Just installed, in less that 1/2 hr., CharlieDaTuna's SuperSear. Trigger is smoother, lighter, and gun is more accurate. Need I say more. Well worth the money.